[Woah!-man]: why not? i mean seriously. casey could get a lot of votes if he wanted ! >.> just step over the govt in a peaceful way, and say im here and i'll be what makes your govt do you right.

[Weedy]: well the rape issue dident make me hate all muslims just the two guys who tried it.... i have been in fights with both muslims and danes... i dont know which i fear most anymore... danes tend to carry knifs and muslims allways have 10 cousins who want to beat you up afterwards....

[Woah!-man]: O_o... get over themselves? and ppl think the us is messed up >.<

[Sallywag]: They dont make it far enough because like women, they believe they wont be taken seriously and hence dont bother trying. its not race/sexism. Margaret Thatcher made it and she was one of the best prime ministers England ever had, even if i didn't agree with all her policies. I have a great deal of respect for both Bush and for his government. they are doing what they can to protect their country, as are the armed forces. and it doesn't help when whiney liberal hand-wringers who bleat about the human rights of terrorists and saying how evil bush is because the war was "illegal". of course it was illegal! with france, russia and china all permanent members of the UN security council, ...

[Woah!-man]: yes ... that sucks. too bad we can veto O_o i mean.. i think you need 2 countries to veto.. instead of one on the permanent un sec. council

[Pale-Suzie]: Nah nah... denmark isn't messed up... it's just the danes... :P well... when you consider that i live in the most violent part of DK i think i'm pretty lucky... i don't know any girls who have been raped, or almost raped... and i hardly know anyone who's bin attacked... so... mostly that sorta shit happens when i'm in Jylland and they notice my accent...

[Sallywag]: a resolution was NEVER GOING TO BE PASSED because france and russia both have been supporting Saddams regime for decades in return for oil. And now that the "war" is "won" they are insisting that the UN be the ones to decide how Iraq is run! The level of snivelling dishonour of the french and german governments makes me sick.

[Pale-Suzie]: it's really sad that women and black ppl don't make it very far...

[Sallywag]: Mr Bush is doing what he thinks is right. And I respect him for sticking to his principles and not just rolling over and trying to appease the terrorists. Saddams regime should have been removed when Bush Senior was in power.

[Sallywag]: Ahem....Colin Powell?

[Pale-Suzie]: okay okay, sorry here, but that is NOT the only reason why they are prostesting! if you say that germany and fracne and russia only do it for the oil, then look at the reason why USA is doing it! it wasn't iraqis who flew into the twin towers! how about saudi-arabia? they are justas bad (if not worse) but they don't have oil, or as much oil, so USA isn't interested. what does germany gain from going against USA? nothing. so i think it's brave they did it, because their population didn't support it, eventhough USA wanted them to join.

[Sallywag]: What really sticks in my craw is how all these Anti-War protesters go on about how "the majority are against the war" when actually, ist just the intellectuals, students and children who don't know enough to have informed opinions who are really against it. The minority does not speak for the majority. And the vocal minority are undermining the morale of our troops who are still laying their lives down every day for their country.

[Pale-Suzie]: so... you believe that going out and killing a bunch of ppl is the right thing to do? when most of them where innocent? in the name of protecting the western world? well... maybe that's the reason why they hate us in the first place.. okay, there died a couple of western ppl, lets kill all of the muslims. Bush are punishing innocent ppl! they have never done anything wrong... but now they might do it because, hey what, out entire family just got killed, okay, let's kill some of them to... you never end anything with revenge.

[Sallywag]: I'm afraid I have to disagree. I think countries like Poland and Australia are the brave ones for supporting the war, even though it makes them bigger targets. I just hope that the French and Germans dont think they're safe just because they're anti war. Australia was a target before it happened, in the Bali bombings, if you recall. the terrorists will go for the easiest and most devastating target. that will be those who think they have nothing to fear.

[Pale-Suzie]: hey... wiat a second, you just said that it's the 'intellectuals and students' who are against... sorry, but i belive that ppl who have an education and have been allowed to develop their own opinion know a whole lot more about what they're saying... if it's jsut those ppl who are protesting then i don't know why they protest (that was irony there) and you know what... if bush hadn't started that stupid war those soldies could be at home and safe.

[Sallywag]: And how many HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of people were tortured to death under Saddams regime, just for being a different kind of muslim? or because he wanted to test out his chemical weapons? how can you say he didn't have them when i've seen the pictures of his victims?! you're all living in a little dream world.

[Pale-Suzie]: hey funny, you forgot that Denmark was a part of the war to.. they support the iraq war to (still do) even though the population didn't want to... sorry, but it pisses me of that my own goverment decided to ignore my opinion just because we would be better of supporting the war... well there goes, now we're targets to... wow, and ppl can't even remember we helped... now we're targets for nothing.

[Pale-Suzie]: uhm... no, i have quite a few friends who are Kurdish Iraqies... and yeah, i've seen those pictures to... but if USA actually gave a shit.. why didn't they help when the kurdish rebelled?

[Sallywag]: Bush did not "start the war". And people who have been allowed to "develop their own opinion" are just opinionated. It doesn't make them right. If world war III broke out, how many intellectuals and students would you see signing up to defend home, family and country? not bloody many. and actually, they should bring back military service. young people these days are spoilt and self-indulgent and think far too highly of their own opinions

[Sallywag]: Yeah i know about that. that during the first Iraq war. thats what i meant when i said Saddam should have been removed the first time.

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah and old ppl are so stuck in the past that they are never open to change... or to the thought that they might be wrong... do you really think that the world would be a better place if ppl didn't develop new opinnions? wow... *sees a zombie world* that's just fucked up... and i would sign up for the military thank you very much if i felt that DK was threatened... not because someother country told me to... i'm loyal to my own country, with the goverment i voted in. not another country taht belives that just because we owe them money, we're supposed to jump when they say 'jump'

[Pale-Suzie]: but why wasn't he remowed the first time? when USA had the rest of the worlds support?

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[Weedy]: StimpyHasan<<< i would really like to see where you got your information from.... as far as i know the intellectuals should be the ones who knew what was going on not the uneducated masses..... and bush did start the war... at least as far as i know it wasent sadam who started bombing the us but the other way around..... you might want to think about why the terrorists hate the us so much... maybe because the us have been supporting the israeli goverment for decades... a govermen who use torture and assasination as a way to suppres the native muslims... a country which actually dident exist before the us created it by force...

[Weedy]: (continued) you might want to consider that the us actually helped sadam create the iraq bush declared war against... you might want to consider that many goverments around the world are just as bad as saddams but bush does nothing about those because there is no startegic resurces like oil in those countries or because the bush family have close bonds with the goverment in the country (like in south arabia).... i wonder if you knew how many new supporters the terrorists have gained because of the war in iraq... i wonder about alot... but most of all i wonder how you can be so ignorant

[Pale-Suzie]: [Weedy] you always say all the things i wanna say... :P you just put them a lot better... i guess i was a bit short tempered before... but one thing that strikes me though, is that we, Denmark, joined the war to, making us target for terorrisme... and ppl can't even remember we did it... how pointless. yeah, and for the whole new teorist thing... we have a palestinian in my class, she's always been very peaceful and believed that USA was maybe wrong at times, but okay. now she runs around with signs saying 'I hate USA, kill them ALL!' and burning american flags... wow, bush, you just raised the new generation of teorrist.

[Weedy]: my point curly... all bush is doing with his war is helping the terrorists....

[Pale-Suzie]: it's pretty amazing really.... before Iraq i never really payed attention to where ppl where from... and you didn't see anything that would point towards there being any hard feeling toward USA... then all of the sudden ppl i have known for years runs around and burn flags and write Hamas and P.L.O. all over the place... it's really weird, all of the sudden i can see old friends as a threat... why? because their family died for no point... and know they want revenge... man, if that isn't sad.. it's a never ending cirkel. i think it should be USAs job as a super power to stop that cirkel. or at least try.

[Woah!-man]: the u.s. has supported many bottom of the barrel pieces of crap. -.-;; as long as they're pro u.s. we wont take a second look at their torture and shit they do. BUT as soon as the u.s. is threatened, we are like ''omg... they were torturing here''... O_o which makes no sence because zimbabwe is under a VERY HARSH DICTATOR but no one cars. tell me, a little pathetic?

[Panda-monium]: well, I think it is the worlds job, not just one nation, But your right, US should stop it

[Woah!-man]: O_o .. i say.. we revolt all natoins and create our own little elftown.. with a little island *found some sand on the beach.. pokes it with a stick.. watches it sink* ... it might work..

[Weedy]: well sadly the us goverment belives that all threats can be stopped if you just apply enough force... so when the terrorists make another attack inside the us it will only resould in a new show of force from the us and so on..... which reminds me about something [Sallywag] said... i qoute "the terrorists will go for the easiest and most devastating target" well if that is true i dont understand why they dont blow up some bridges..... a bridge is easy to get access to and all you need to destroy it is to blow one of the support beams or one of the big support cabels and the bridge will collaps killing at least 500 people... the golden gate is the perfect target for that... 

[Pale-Suzie]: in the particual case Iraq VS. USA i think it's USAs job as a democratic country to stop it... and yeah [Woah!-man] tou're right... there are so many dictators out there... why is it that Iraq is so special?

[Pale-Suzie]: i think they didn't blow up bridges because the twin towers where more symbolic...

[Panda-monium]: ok, I got an idea, lets not put terrorist plans on here. IDEA! I think so

[Pale-Suzie]: heh.... i doubt the teorrists are reading this... and is they are... they've most likely already had that idea...

[Panda-monium]: I was kidding...

[Weedy]: curly<<< yea but why would they be satisfied by one attack if they really hate the us that much??.... i just wonder why we havent seen any more attacks... i mean all you need is a truck and a driver... explosives can be made in a cellar so all you need is to get one man into the us and bingo... but it dident happen... why?? and panda i know what you mean but seriously dont you think the terrorists would know what i said allready ??

[Woah!-man]: O_o sweety. the golden gate bridge is kinda there. im sure they'd think of it. sides, what use would it be ''omg i blew up the bridge heeerrreeee''.. ya know? anyway... we attack iraq 1) OIL *Ding ding * funny. us turns off all eastern sea bored oil wells but keeps askin for arabs oil. 2) daddy never did the job right. 3) they're different religion/color. notice as he used the term ''axis power'' i mean. .come one. sadam wasnt germany.. he isnt hitler O_o he executed everyone, not jus jews/gays/musicians/ppl with intellegence.

[Pale-Suzie]: i don't know why they haven't blown up anything more... I don't really think they do it to 'kill as many as possible, as often as you can'... i think they do it more to show that 'we're still here' the golden bridge could be a target... but i think stuff like the white hosue is more likely to be aimed at... i just makes a bigger 'we're here' and yeah... Sadam isn't hitler... if he had been i would have been pro war, because he was a world threat.. Sadam is a bastard, and he deserves to die... but he isn't a world threat.

[Woah!-man]: it would make more sense to blow up congress. take out the real power of the u.s. not just the executive (bush)

[Rondel]: I try not to comment on the 9/11 incident too much; if I talk about what I saw directly covered on the news, and simply link it logically together, people start thinking I'm a conspiracy theorist. <sigh> However, anyone here ever check to see when Bush was evacuated, with regard to the 9/11 incident? Ever hear about cases like the one where the regularly scheduled pilots flying around the same areas have been escorted away by military jets a good 20 minutes before they could have gotten NEAR any building of strategic importance, buildings like the Twin Towers themselves, all *before* 9/11 -- yet that military intervention was absent when the planes flew into the buildings. Why?

[Rondel]: The facts are there. You can look them up yourselves, I'm not asking you to trust me. How you connect them, and what conclusion you draw is also up to you. But the conclusions I draw are likewise up to me, & they're pretty frightening. Heck, the rumour that "the US government was going to blow up a government building in order to create grounds for changes in the law" reached *ME* 3 months before the Oklahoma City bombing -- why didn't the FBI hear about it and prevent it, if it was a rumour put around by the actual "terrorists" who *did* do it, if that was the case? Why did it happen, if it *wasn't* the person accused and convicted?

[Rondel]: Have you ever watched footage of that trial? The convicted "terrorist" is acting like a soldier who was following orders, and protests that he loves his country -- so, *whose* orders was he following? These incidents have all been horrific and frightening, but who has really profited from them? Who got what?

[Rondel]: The Middle East got bombed, Muslims as a whole got to be treated as criminals, and the US government got unprecedented powers, and a public whose anger was pointed outward, instead of inward, toward the government itself. Before the Twin Towers disaster, Bush was under serious scrutiny with regard to election fraud. Since then, he's become the head of an increasingly militarized superpower with wartime powers increasingly at his command. Whoever did these things, it has all turned out to be awfully convenient for him (and his buddies in the Oil and Energy businesses), hasn't it?

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah it has. i've nerv thought about it like that, but now yuo say it.... that is sort of a weird covensident... i mean... the fat that Bush actually GAINED power from his country being attacked...

[Rondel]: If you check out just one of the things I've mentioned, make it this one -- "when was Bush evacuated, with regard to the 9/11 incidents?" It's a question that leads to one end of a rather frightening but important web of interconnected facts.

[Pale-Suzie]: it does yeah... i don't want to be paranoid but taht does sound rather rotten....

[Rondel]: Paranoia is defined as an *UNWARRANTED* fear. This isn't paranoia. It wasn't paranoia when they were teaching my husband's generation to "duck and cover" under their desks, in the event of nuclear war, and people were protesting that PEACE HAD TO BE REACHED. It wasn't paranoia when people (me among them) protested the initial bombing of Iraq, saying "if we do this, we'll still be there in 10 years". Paranoia is when there *isn't* a danger, and you think there is. There are too many dead for this to be paranoia. But then, we're not in the US, we have access to news that isn't covered at all, there. 

[Rondel]: For instance, did you know that for the first time, the government is preventing coverage of the returning bodies of those killed in the war? It used to be that their return was covered with full "Pomp and Circumstance", but now people are being prevented (using *every* means) from so much as showing one picture of a flag-covered coffin. For some reason, the US government is afraid that the population won't support the war if they see that Americans are actually *dying* (while they blow other nations "back into the stone age"). And so many rights have been lost, as a result of all of this, it horrifies me. 

[Rondel]: Have you heard about the "war games" exercises in which the US military was drilled in preparation for potential use *AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS*, *ON AMERICAN SOIL*? That was done in California. Perhaps not coincidentally, there have been daily demonstrations in Berkeley, CA, against the US Government's tactics. They've used the National Guard against anti-war protesters before, during the Viet Nam era... for that matter, *my own family* has been clubbed by US police while protesting for Civil Rights, in the 1950s-60s. It is not only some nameless faceless "enemy" that is at risk, should they get in the way of the US government's policies --

[Rondel]: it is everyone, even loyal US citizens who want nothing more than to stand up for an America in which they can believe, one which truly does support the principles of democracy and freedom and equal rights for all.

[Woah!-man]: wwt number 7.. a bloack away from the twin towers... collapsed... O_o a block away... surprisingly that was the one w/the most enron information as well....also the pancake theory... you wouldnt really think the building would just go down straight like that w/out stopping on the other levels... but it just... flew down... O_o... odd? maybe. coincidence? ... i dont think so... the govt could have too much power and we not enough to say.... o.o ..... but... no one is quite sure how to become a person of power w/out getting entangled in ferking politics... ... if i had a chance.. i'd deffinately ask a few things to bush... and hook him up to a lie detector O_o

[Woah!-man]: !!! also, the day that the columbine shootings happened, it was the day we put the most bombs on kuwait... but no one even cared about that as many .. humans died.... o.o .... instead we grew paranoid of our schools.. of our students... revolting.. wanting to kill.. we became afraid of nail filers...

[Rondel]: Sleight of hand isn't restricted to magic tricks -- it works really well with news and propaganda, too. :( For instance, this latest proposed law enforcing military service is expected to pass without comment during the distraction of the upcoming Presidential elections.

[Woah!-man]: :-/ basterds.... im not going in the military... o.O ... i love my country.... but i despise the military... =.= ... plus im gay so they despise me.

[Dil*]: what!? move to canada B.C. nobody cares about gay people here, loads of them around.

[Rondel]: Well, if you're going to do it, better do it before the law passes: "In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country." http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&amp;content_dir=ua_congressorg

[Woah!-man]: ahh crap. but canada (no offence) has bad health care O_o and... a not so good economy.. though i like their social stability ^_^

[Sister Insomnia]: bush fucking sucks, BLAME CANADA, BLAME CANADA(haha that was south park for those who dont know

[Woah!-man]: O_o canadas.... not the problem.... >.< .... canadas ... better off.. then where i live.. O_o my county leads the nation in unemployment..... o.o messed up...

[Pyro Maniac Goth666]: bush is a dumbass!!!!!!!

[Goldice]: dont panic.the lost has not bn deleted kugy has just placed it sum were different.reda abuv

[Dil*]: nah, canada has Free healthcare :P

[Lord Kügenheim]: updatery type things Ive made a separate members page. aaaand the announced closing date for the Banner Competition is 30/7/04 which gives you just under too months to get your banners ready ^_^. and thats about all for now. Will do other stuff when i think of what needs doing.

[Lord Kügenheim]: updatery type things Ive made a separate members page. aaaand the announced closing date for the Banner Competition is 30/7/04 which gives you just under two months to get your banners ready ^_^. and thats about all for now. Will do other stuff when i think of what needs doing.

[Woah!-man]: YAY! ^____^ *dances around* as canada may have free health care.. it doesnt always take the best care in ppl.. and the majority of the doctors (i've seen) dont like it.

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah... that is a problem with free health care.... but I would still rather live in Canada though... they remind me more of DK... and i would never live in a Country as corrupted as USA... i mean.. who knows when they are gonna turn towards their own citziens? or other western countries? if they do, i'll rather be in the countries fighting them... then in the country where i have to fight my own goverment, here outside of USA we at least still have some control of the shit the media feeds us.. and they day we don't is the day i'll sell my TV. (i don't watch it anyway. ^_^)

[Panda-monium]: well, I love Canada despite its problems, and lack of doctors. ^_^ O Canada!

[Pale-Suzie]: like i love Denmark even though it's filled with racist and alcoholics.. cause hey.... it's Denmark...!

[Panda-monium]: LOL

[Pale-Suzie]: ot's weird right... how no matter how fucked up your country is.. you can help but feel proud anyway...?

[Panda-monium]: yeah, good old National Identity. it is weird and yet not, I mean just like no matter how f***ed up you are, you should be proud of who you are, and also national pride is breed into us from the moment we are born. It is stronger in America than Canada though, I guess its just a thing, we arent as Idk, in your face, I LOVE CANADA. Like we do love it, but in America the pride is engrained even deeper. I know it sounds weitrd but it is true, completely true

[Panda-monium]: However, Bush is ruining that, because it is hard to take pride in what Bush is doing in the name of America, but hey what do I know :P:P I am not American,

[Pale-Suzie]: no... it's like it here to, i don't run around with a flag saying 'bow to me i'm danish!' but i'm still very proud i am... i'm not sure i would be proud to be american under bush... but then there's just other things to be proud about i think... pride...such a strange thing.

[Panda-monium]: yeah, but see as much as I love Canada, I have done a lot of reaserch into our National Identity, and I found we are pretty modest comparitivly

[Pale-Suzie]: and so are danes... most danes don't really think about what it is to be a dane... i just think about it for some reason... man, the more i hear about canada the more i'm sure i gotta go there one day.

[Alkor]: so much to read but im not reading ALL tht... so much... if i read to much it meses up my brain and io go all phsyco for some reason

[Panda-monium]: ok.....

[Alkor]: LOL

[Pale-Suzie]: it's never hurt anybody to read. :P

[Panda-monium]: Alkor is a little different Curly, I wouldnt push the subject...

[Panda-monium]: Just smile and nod

[Alkor]: if enyone makes me read a 3 praghraph witchamakalit... i wont and get all made if they keep on telling me to

[Alkor]: even 5 sentences....... i only read short horro storied and thts bout it

[Pale-Suzie]: Panda, you are a bit evil you know... :P ... *smiles and nods* don't be so hard on him... it's not a nice thing to do... and [Alkor] plz just bloody read it... then you can talk along and we can all talk about the same thing without some ppl getting pissed.

[Alkor]: screw tht....... im not reading all tht... i will get freakin lost in my head and have no clue wht the hell im reading..... so dont ppush my bottons

[Pale-Suzie]: Alkor... we write such long messages because we have an inteligent discussion going on... i preffer long posts, because then i know we're talking, not just saying :"hi, whazzup?" not that there's anything wrong with that... i just like to spend my time here chatting with the smart ppl that my neighborhood seems to lack...

[Pale-Suzie]: i'm not trying to push your buttons... i'm trying to have a conversation with more then 5 words...

[Alkor]: i dont write long sentences... i write 2 senteces max.....dont tell me how LONG i should write my senteces

[Weedy]: [Alkor]<<< well maybe this aint the forum for you then.... i mean this is a forum for writers and artists and not for people who hate reading.... im not trying to be rude but i really dong get why your here if you dont want to read

[Kelyndal]: [Alkor] get off of it. If you don't want to read it all, don't, but don't complain about it. If you don't appreciate the conversation going on, that's fine. But move on to a different subject~

[Alkor]: JUST LEAVE ME ALONE......damn......

[Kelyndal]: I was unaware WE were the ones pestering YOU... but alright, if that is how you feel, I apologize

[Alkor]: hate geeting persterded at or how ever u say it.....hate my spelling and thts wht u get for typing so fast.....

[Pale-Suzie]: hey, look, i just want to have a conversation whithou someone saying 'i'm confused' sorry... but that's not what i'm in here to discuss...

[Alkor]: look.... tht convo is DONE WITH... so just forget bout it.... jeeze

[Pale-Suzie]: okay... now lets get back to topic.... what we're we discussing? pride i think...

[Woah!-man]: pride .... is the best weaknesh everyone has *evil grin*

[Alkor]: yup

[Pale-Suzie]: hehe... yuo might be right... [Woah!-man] but it depends what kind of pride... pride that allows other ppl to be proude to is okay, pride that doesn't isn't though... you still gotta leave some space for others.

[Kelyndal]: I have pride in America, but that has nothing to do with some the atrocities that have been done in America's name, such as this "War on Terror". It is more this deep sense of... accomplishment, because of how far we have come. Well, that is before Clinton or Bush knocked us backward more than a couple of steps. Still, I have little doubt that we will get back on track. (At least, I hope...)

[Weedy]: hmm i have noticed that many americans dont like clinton and i dont understand why... if you ask me clinton was one of the best precidents the us have had for a long time.... he actually cared about the envioment, the social diffrences in the us and he did a great job with his foreign politics

[Pale-Suzie]: that's what i mean, you always have some pride in your country... no matter how bad it is, there's always something to be proud about.

[Alkor]: everyone should have pribe in there country.. wht would u do if a terroriste came and invaded ur country...? wht would u do??

[Pale-Suzie]: i would fight the bastard, but not like USA does, i wuld fight the sorce, the hate, that makes teorriste. i would try and understand why they did it, and prevent it from happening again.

[Weedy]: [Alkor] first: i doubt terrorists would invade our country... then they would be invaders not terrorists.... and second: we would properly react with fear for a few months and give more money to PET (the danish CIA) but i doubt we would start a war because of it

[Pale-Suzie]: nope, DK is to peaceful and, yeah, small a country to start a war.

[Alkor]: yup... just like the day why they terrosist attacked new york and other states

[Weedy]: [Alkor]<< well the more information i get on the "war against terror" the more it seems that the 9/11 attack was either allowed to happen or was staged by the CIA or another powerfull goverment institution

[Alkor]: okay... ic now

[Panda-monium]: It was allowed to happen. Bush got a notice on his desk the day b4 but left it, saying he would read it when he got back from holiday.

[Alkor]: lol

[Panda-monium]: you find that funny?

[Alkor]: kinda....but not tht funny

[Panda-monium]: thoasands of Americans and Canadians died so he could go on a nice get away

[Alkor]: Ohhhh........ u lost me now

[Panda-monium]: ok, n/m Alkor

[Alkor]: okay...

[Weedy]: i find it impressive how many times you can get lost alkor.... oh nm i properly allready lost you now

[Woah!-man]: o.o.. *squee*... hey alkor... where do you stand on the clinton administration ?

[Panda-monium]: oh boy.

[Alkor]: u totaly lost me there [Woah!-man] and i have no clue wht u r talking bout

[Woah!-man]: O_o ... errrrr.... the previous president who really was impeached >.< for having sex related tasks to some one besides his wife (dumb .. all presidents do) but what do you think of him?

[Alkor]: i hate presidents so why bother... i think they suck but Bill Cliton is a better president then Geroge W. Bush

[Pale-Suzie]: i think Clinton was pretty good... he wasn't all bad anyway... he tried harder to stop was and not start it. i think that it's sad that he'll be remembered for the whole monica thing instead of the things he did... poor guy.

[Weedy]: heh i just find it funny that the american people focused so much on it... or at least the media did.... i mean there was alot more focus on the monica scandal that there have been on the enron scandal.... and well it kinda should be the other way around

[Pale-Suzie]: yeah it should... okay, so the guy cheated, it happens... i think the media should have just gotten over it.

[Kelyndal]: Well, considering that I didn't follow much of Clinton's work until late into his presidency, I can't provide much of an opinion...but from what I saw, he wasn't exactly the best president we've ever had

[Pale-Suzie]: weird, most of what i saw he was pretty good. he was very active in the middle east, trying to stop the war. but i don't remember to much of it. he might not have the best, but he wasn't as bad as he is made up to be. like JFK wasn't as good as ppl make him up to be.

[Woah!-man]: O_o he dropped the most bombs on kuwait (which was a shit load) the same day columbine had happened. -.-;;

[Rondel]: I think one of the biggest reasons why Clinton looks good, as a President, is that he came between two Bush presidencies. He had some pretty good concepts behind his campaign, but if you look at what he actually did while in office, it's as though, somewhere around 100 days into his Presidency, someone said "you're not allowed to do that", and he just sort of caved in. It was that way with issues ranging from gays in the military to universal healthcare. Still, at least he started out trying to do some of the right things, and didn't get in by way of a constitutionally invalid election, or go around *starting* wars. He may not have been able to stop them, but at least he didn't start them.

[BarleySinger]: Oh yes...and I find it hard to believe that a well intened person (as presendt) would have sign ed an order to have a Guatamalin poltician for their democratic parrty kidnapped and tortured to death (which he did, his signature is on the orders not just a stamp). As far as I can tell there are no good presidents....just like there are no good governments or good nations...just less bad ones. There is now a law in Guatimala that maks it illegal for the CIA to go there...but then after 200,00 deaths since 1957 because of the CIA involvment there I think they have a reason to be irritated art the idea of more CIA.

[Lord Kügenheim]: So, what does everyone think about the new updates and things?

[Lord Kügenheim]: We now have a "Discussions" place type thing. It is split into 4 Sections, which can be used over and over again (we will need a volunteer to the "clean up" the pages after they have been used, deleting all the comments Etc..) these pages can also be used to fuel the "reasons why we hate bush" page.

[Woah!-man]: personally im up for the specific descussions. for fun... ^^ ... well.. clinton did help the economy up.... and err... the only problem i have is the ''dont ask dont tell policy''... he could have kicked bottom by making gays legal in the military O_o... so thats just.. *sighs* push over in some things. but he did a lot better than the bush's have.

[Lord Kügenheim]: okay, i think we have out first topic "Bill Clinton" discussion

[Lord Kügenheim]: okay, i think we have out first topic "Bill Clinton" discussion, or we could name it, Discussions about other Presidents

[Woah!-man]: yea.... that may work. other presidents wrelm O_o ... and then presidents who are just wrong (Bush .... the second)

[Lord Kügenheim]: So thats the First Discussion page open. Now Showing "Other Presidents" in Discussion Hall 1

[Sallywag]: I just can't believe the ignorance of you people, and the blinkered views. You've made up your minds with a handful of regurgitated media opinions based on flawed information, and a pathetic knowledge of world history, and you have the temerity to say that *I'm* ignorant just because I find it fun to play devils advocate....

[Lord Kügenheim]: WOW were at 96 members!!! Someone make a banner to comemorate 100 members!!!

[Orey]: So who do I aske to sign up?????

[Panda-monium]: one of the managers

[Orey]: ok one of the manages being?

[Panda-monium]: .[Lord Kügenheim] Manager Extraordinaire

[Weedy]: just ask here in the comments and they usually add you... if that dont help try asking [Lord Kügenheim] or [Goldice]

[Panda-monium]: thats one, if you want go to the members page, the first three members are managers

[Orey]: I already sent him one. Just now. I noticed the finally put who to send on to at the top. :P

[Panda-monium]: lol

[Orey]: Hey I just got up and reading this small type isn't helping lol

[Panda-monium]: lol

[Pale-Suzie]: hm, funny, i always thugh clinton was really cool, but now looking back at it, he wasn't really that good... but, he at least was better then bush, you can give him that. hm, i just noticed that we have 56 pages of messages in here, that's prety good. ^_^

[Panda-monium]: it is indeed

[Woah!-man]: *cha* ... >___> ... i say... we get some one liberal.. leading towards socialism.. like.. fdr ^____^ .. or we can get some one who really doesnt give a car >__> like republicans..... *sighs* as long as they dont care im good

[Pale-Suzie]: the bad thing is that you only have two parties to chose from... if you had more that would really make the power a whole lot more balanced...

[Panda-monium]: I agree with that

[Panda-monium]: even in canada we have at least 10 maybe more I am not sure, but we have three major ones

[Kelyndal]: We have more than two parties to choose from. It is jsut that those two parties are the dominant ones.

[Woah!-man]: i like the 2 dominate parties.. shows the 2 majority feelings w/the country

[Mackenzie]: not really.

[Kelyndal]: Exactly. Thank you Mackenzie for saying what I felt

[Mackenzie]: :) there are so many opinions. I for one, am neither.

[Kelyndal]: Exactly! You're so good at this whole saying what I feel thing! I should hire you ;);)

[Mackenzie]: lol. how much do you pay?

[Kelyndal]: I'm not sure. I've never hired anyone for this particular reason. How much would you require?

[Woah!-man]: o.o *sigh* well >__> the whole idea of more than two parties may not work seeing it isnt technically the majority vote (over 50%) just the majority of the parties.. and revolutions.. bloody revolutions may happen

[Lord Kügenheim]:

100 MEMBERS

[Alkor]: lol

[Pale-Suzie]: YAY!!!!

[Lord Kügenheim]: someone make a cool banner!!!!!

[Mackenzie]: ok.........

[Woah!-man]: uhh... >_> a banner .. w/bush dying? ... O_O ... *hides*

[Mackenzie]: ?????????? I made a cool one, but elftown peeps tookit ofmy house befor i put it here.

[Woah!-man]: o.O thats incredibally horrible. try it again?

[Mackenzie]: nah

[Lord Kügenheim]: no i mean a comemerative banner to say we gots 100 members!

[Woah!-man]: ^_^ assign some one the job.

[Dil*]: okay..no one better ask me about this.

[Dil*]:

100 Members

[Dil*]: that's commemerative.

[Panda-monium]: LOL

[Alkor]: STFU...damn thts annoying

[Dil*]: fall in a never ending pit then.

[Alkor]: tht would bee fun though

[Dil*]: good for you.

[Panda-monium]: LOL

[Woah!-man]: _> thats big ... i aspire to be so big one day...

[WarChiefFanguan]: wow, that was BIG

[Mackenzie]: how did yu get it that big?

[Dil*]: secret, as in not telling anyone. Nobody.

[Mackenzie]: 100 Members

[Mackenzie]: how???? I need to know.

[Woah!-man]: o.o... size counts i gues

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[Woah!-man]: O_O

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[WarChiefFanguan]: nope. No h0

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